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Jane Robins |
As Brexit remains headline news across the country People Like Us, a new comedy from writers Julie Burchill and Jane Robins, examines how this polarisation of political opinion has cut a swathe through friendships and families. Opening next week at London's Union Theatre, the play is about the impact of Brexit upon the members of a suburban book group.
I caught up with Jane Robins in the closing days of rehearsals for a brief conversation.
JB: Jane, how much of the script is drawn from personal
experience?
JR: Some of it has happened to me – I was very
publicly shamed on Facebook for instance when I posted some links to articles
that were saying actually it wasn't really so bad, referencing job gains that
were being reported in the City of London since the referendum.
I quickly found
myself unfriended very publicly, there was a moralistic tone in the air and I
learned (from other friends) that some people had formed the view: "we
thought she was a nice person and now she turns out to be really bad".
In the view of
some of my friends it was almost immoral to vote Leave and I've certainly
experienced people wanting to keep me at arm’s length because of it.
Feeling a
little sore, I was drawn to the first meeting of Leavers of London. I had seen
on Twitter that a young woman, Lucy Harris, had posted something along the
lines of: "Did you vote Leave and now feel a bit isolated? Come and meet
up for a drink."
So I went
along (it turned out I was the first to arrive that evening and I've since
become great friends with Lucy) and lots of people turned up. Really bright,
interesting people from all backgrounds, and on both the Left and the Right
politically. A lot of them were (are) working in creative industries or in
fields like teaching or in public services and commented how they just were
unable to say at work that they voted Leave.
There were
lots of stories, individual stories, that people told about how difficult it
was for them - and that's how the idea
for the play began. I'd lived in London most of my life and had never thought
that something like this could happen. I thought we took it for granted that we
trusted our friends and that we didn't cut them off because of the way they had
voted on something.
JB: How did you and Julie Burchill find each
other?
JR: We first met on Facebook through a mutual
friend and a posted article that both Julie and I had “liked”. From there, we
became Facebook friends. When the idea came to me to write this play. I thought
I could do it but that it would take me at least a couple of years and I just
don't have the time for that with my day job as a novelist. I've always admired
Julie's writing and her exuberance, the way that she provokes and challenges
amaze me.
So I said to
her “I'm thinking of writing a play, can I come down to Brighton and talk to
you about it?” She then invited me along to a lunch she was having with friends
and as I walked into the bar of the Hotel Du Vin I think within 30 seconds I
had asked her to be my co-author! She called for the champagne menu and it was
the start, as they say, of a beautiful friendship.
I live in
London, she lives in Brighton and over about 18 months we have worked very
professionally – we didn't see each other at all during the whole writing of
the play. I'd already got everything mapped out in terms of the characters and
the structure of the play and how I saw it. That's the sort of stuff,
especially structure, that Julie doesn't enjoy. What she loves to do is
dialogue.
And so I would
write each scene in a rough way, doing some of the dialogue and basic mapping
and then send it off to Julie and she would just wave her magic wand all over
it, bring it to life and send it back to me for editing.
JB: What
do you expect the reaction to the play to be when it opens in London next
month?
JR: I genuinely have no idea at all. I think
that Remainers could come to the play and really like it and think it's very
funny. Or there might be completely the opposite reaction because a lot of the
jokes are about “people who go to the theatre”. We could've dug our own grave
with that, I just don't know.
Many scripts
make fun of the chattering classes. We've done it because everything's so
deeply personal at the minute and I don't know whether people are going to take
it benignly and enjoy it, or get bristly.
Part of me
thinks that the hard core “Remain community” are very touchy but it’s not that
way and, to be fair, it's not most people either. My sister voted Remain, as
did my brother-in-law and half my family and they’ve enjoyed the play. I think
it's only a sliver of society who have become sort of hysterical, but it's very
hard now to know.
Above all, the
play is about friendship. We’ve not gone into all those sort of, pros and cons
of Brexit at great lengths. We could have done, but I think the pacing is all
about democracy. And I believe that's what a lot of Leavers think and a lot of Remainers
just can't see. There's a blindness there and they don't see why leaving the EU
is important to so many people.
JB: Do you feel there's a timeliness to the
play with all that's going on right now, as the Chequers furore leads into the parties' conference season?
JR: Definitely! All the time in the process of
writing the play and getting it put on, it felt enormously timely and you might
think that you could have written something about Brexit and a year and two
year after the boat it would no longer be that relevant but I think it's more
relevant than ever. Things haven't died down at all, they're still raging.
JB: Has it been a challenge to stage the play in London?
JB: Sasha Regan at the Union Theatre has been great, as has Ben de Wynter who is also directing. And the cast and creatives too, irrespective of their own personal views, are really putting their hearts into the production. It's extraordinarily exciting!
JB: What do you hope the play will achieve?
JR: A good night out. I think the number one
duty is for people to come and have a great time and to laugh.
People Like Us runs at the Union Theatre from October 2nd to the 20th. For tickets, book here.